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Massive Economic Disaster Seems Possible -- Will Survivalists Get the Last Laugh?

By Scott Thill, AlterNet. Posted July 26, 2008.


With multiple crises on the horizon, survivalist views don't seem as marginal as they did before.
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They used to be paranoid preparation nuts who built bomb shelters for a place to duck and cover during nuclear dustups with communist heathens, but their tangled roots go back to the Great Depression for a reason. If you want to get sociological about it, survivalism started out as a response to economic catastrophe. And now, with a cratering stock market, a housing meltdown that has devalued everything in sight, and skyrocketing prices for food, gas and pretty much everything else, survivalists are preparing for -- and are prepared for -- the rerun. In fact, they may be the only people in America feeling good about the prospects of a major crash.

And the interesting thing about the once-fringe movement at this moment in history is that survivalism has now gone green -- at least in theory.

From peak oil and food crises all the way to catastrophic payback from that bitch Mother Earth, there are more reasons to hide than ever. Conventional society as we know it is already undergoing some disastrous transformations. Ask anyone ducking fires in California, floods in the Midwest or bullets in Baghdad. Maybe it didn't make sense to run for the hills, stockpile water and food, grow your own vegetables and drugs, or unplug from consumerism back when America's budget surplus still existed, its armies weren't burning up all the nation's revenue and its infrastructure wasn't being outsourced to a globalized work force.

But those days are gone, daddy, gone.

What's coming up is weirder. Author, social critic and overall hilarious dude James Kunstler tackled that weirdness, otherwise known as an incoming post-oil dystopia, in his recent novel, World Made by Hand, which has since become one of a handful of survivalist classics. And as Kunstler sees it, whether you are talking about gun nuts or green pioneers, at least you are talking.

"At least they're aware that we've entered the early innings of what could easily become a very disruptive period of our history," the Clusterfuck Nation columnist explains. "Most of them are responding constructively rather than just defensively. They're much more interested in gardening and animal husbandry than firearms."

Not that the gun nuts have gone away. Their ranks have just diversified.

"The gun nuts have been on the scene longer than the peak oil argument has been in play," he adds. "They were initially preoccupied with Big Government and its accompanying narrative fantasy of fascist oppression, which is why they adopted a fascist tone themselves. But peak-oil survivalists are different from the Ruby Ridge generation. They don't think that a bolt-hole in the woods is a very promising strategy. We have no idea at this point what the level of social cohesion or disorder may be, but if the rural areas, especially the agricultural centers, become too lawless for farming, then we'll be in pretty severe trouble because there will be nothing for us to eat."

That's not on the to-do list of author and SurvivalBlog owner James Rawles, who has been getting asked more and more questions by a mainstream press finally waking to the consequences of disaster capitalism, climate crisis and the hyperreal dream of bottomless consumption. He has fielded questions from the New York Times, and he has taken an online beating from conscientious pubs like Grist, but he hasn't gone Hollywood. The times, which are a-changin', have caught up to him.

"There is greater interest in preparedness these days because the fragility of our economy, lengthening chains of supply and the complexity of the technological infrastructure have become apparent to a broader cross section of the populace," Rawles wrote to me via e-mail (but only after asking how many unique monthly visitors AlterNet commanded). "All parties concerned may not realize it, but the left-of-center greens calling for local economies and encouraging farmers markets have a tremendous amount in common with John Birchers decrying globalist bankers and gun owners complaining about their constitutional rights. At the core, for all of them, is the recognition that big, entrenched, centralized power structures are not the answer. They are, in fact, the problem."


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Scott Thill runs the online mag Morphizm.com. His writing has appeared on Salon, XLR8R, All Music Guide, Wired and others.


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The Very Rich Are the The Survivalists ...
Posted by: mmckinl on Jul 26, 2008 12:55 AM   
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Read Naomi Klein on the new companies set up to whisk the very rich by helicopter and private jet to compounds where they can live quite well for years during the "troubles". Even the Waltons of WalMart have a survival compound with everything they need for years.

The Powers that Be have known that there would be these oncoming troubles, they have been analyzed and forecast by the intelligence agencies. The peak oil phenomena was clearly demonstrated in America in 1970 as supply diminished. Was it an accident that the Bankruptcy Act was passed in 2005 or that the privately owned and operated Federal Reserve let the banks go wild for hundreds of billions in short term profits? The after effects of world peak oil are well known to those in the know and they have prepared and the picture isn't pretty. They saw this coming and planned accordingly, virtual debtors prison for tens of millions from mortgage debt and hundreds of billions for those in the know to buy into a corporate survival company or build a compound of their own.

Is there a way out of this mess? Yes, but it entails real taxation of the rich and the elimination of the fractional reserve banking system. Two things they are not about to let happen.

They would rather let the situation dictate war and starvation so that their power base can be preserved to dominate the landscape once the violence and chaos subside. The laws are all in place to bring on a police state. Fisa for complete immunity for surveillance and arrest without cause. Rubber bullets, tasers, tear gas and "pain beam vehicles" to answer crowds.

Look for mass starvation and civil war abroad and malnutrition, homelessness and unemployment at home ...

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Elijah
Posted by: Elijah on Jul 26, 2008 4:41 AM   
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We are reaping what we have sown!!....the big banking elite have stolen this country and we will pay by a reduced standard of living..it could get real bad...can you imagine an america which has to live only on what it produces??....which is very little.....time to pay the national credit card which the costs of these immoral wars have been put on....maybe time to get some guns and seeds and head for the hills...it got very ugly in 1979 in L.A. during the gas crunch then....only a glimpse at what we are in store for.....elijah

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» Your kidding, right??? Posted by: Prophit
even the rich can have second thoughts...
Posted by: Suzon on Jul 26, 2008 4:42 AM   
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Apparently the powers that be considered a military coup when Labour's Harold Wilson was prime minister and posing a threat to the privileges enjoyed by that Vatican-like entity, the independent and self-regulating City of London.

Though Wilson's resignation has never been explained (blackmail? threats?), the coup did not take place.

One of the drawbacks to living a bunker is the lack of social opportunities. The point of having diamonds is to have one's wife wear them in public. I suppose that touring opera companies could make a circuit of the various bolt holes, but somehow it wouldn't be the same.

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The Amish
Posted by: bthespoon on Jul 26, 2008 4:43 AM   
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..will be just fine too.

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» Just been super busy... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
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» RE: Until, that is . . . Posted by: Lauren
» Yes, the Amish will still thrive Posted by: Democratic Socialist
» The Amish depend on us Posted by: gellero1
» Uhm... you do realize... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
Kathy McMahon
Posted by: Peak Shrink on Jul 26, 2008 5:36 AM   
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Then there are the emotional reactions to learning about the state of the world affairs. I get letters every day, at Peak Oil Blues from people all over the world, who are shocked, depressed, hopeless, and overwhelmed not only by the future they see coming, but also by the complete lack of serious discussion by the "mainstream" media or politicians.

The solutions will be myriad, local, and "individual" only in the same way that rhizomes grow.

You are right, Scott, that there is nowhere to run and hide. It isn't enough to just talk about it, though, we need to shut off our TV's (and computers) and actually do the hard work of developing trust between neighbors. And you are also right: we can't buy our way out of it with gizmos either. We actually have to learn to do things differently, basic things our grandparents took for granted.

It is remarkable that life tasks that used to be considered "normal," like putting up food for the winter, are now seen as a part of some bizarre cult.

I see a lot of people frozen and fearing the worst, like dieoff. When they actually start to do the pragmatic, hassle-filled planning that is required, the depression seems to lift, even if the awareness of what's possible doesn't. The future won't be very kind to those who said "I knew I should have done something constructive, but I just didn't have it in me to know where to start." As a psychologist, speaking to people just like this, blown away by their awareness of what's coming, I say "Start anywhere, just get moving." Even most of whom are planning to hold up in their bunkers will come to realize that it's an unworkable plan. We need each other, regardless of how annoying we find one another. We'll also find, as Rawles has said, a fascinating bunch of bedfellows, and recognize that, instead of a left-right line of "conservatives" and "progressives" we'll find more of a circle of opinions, none of which will be more important than the activities we'll all engage in together.

I really liked hearing from both Jim's. Thanks for launching this discussion on this wonderful site.

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» Exactly... how many even have... Posted by: JoshuaLudd
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» Peak oil is bogus. Posted by: Prophit
All over the map
Posted by: kegbot1 on Jul 26, 2008 5:51 AM   
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I think this article takes too much of a shotgun approach to the situation and is very superficial. Talking to Kunstler is always good but he has several of his own prejudices (i.e. "gun nuts") and also is a unconditional supporter of whatever Israel does. That said, he's been in the forefront of the peak oil/new urbanist movement and has many decent insights.

It is too difficult with the space afforded this piece to really get a handle on the situation. I would have also talked to Alex Jones (largest radio audience among survivalists) as well.

I think there are as many explanations and scenarios as to what may happen as people's imaginations can muster.

If we assume that Very Bad Things are going to happen, then the biggest wildcard will be the extent to which the Federal government can maintain control over the country. I do feel our only hope is if they lose control over most of the country - then local communities and perhaps even whole states can work for local solutions. In any case, it won't be pretty and there will be monumental difficulties to overcome but I'd rather have a nation of confederations working cooperatively than top down fascism which cares little for average people.

The second biggest factor to me is the ability of the American mind to wrap itself around the shocks that are coming. I do not foresee any reason for optimism here. I think people will be rendered mentally and psychologically helpless before they are materially helpless.

This makes my first two points important in tandem - a population that has been conditioned to be willfully helpless is going to run full speed into the arms of their government.

Which leads to factor three - localized communities could band together under a cooperative/survivalist ethic but be demonized by a Federal government which will try to crush those movements and bring them to heel with the support of the people who will be told the 'cooperatives' are hoarding food and supplies meant for the broader populations.

Starvation does strange things to otherwise normal people.

If people in this country really knew what was behind all of this they would not be so anxious to place their faith in their government. But we haven't been taught to have faith in ourselves.

Which leads to the other problem -- we have not been conditioned to work cooperatively with each other. Our whole national ethic is 'every person for themselves' and 'you're on your own.' In the age of the lawsuit and the crime show, we have been condition to have a deep and abiding fear and mistrust of our fellow citizens. This, above all, does not bode well for our future under such economic, political and social strains.

Like Marley's ghost if you're looking for comforting words, I sadly have none to give.

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» RE: All over the map Posted by: Dboy
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» RE: All over the map Posted by: Dboy
Where Have All The Preparedness Expos Gone?
Posted by: Lily H. on Jul 26, 2008 6:11 AM   
Current rating: 5    [1 = poor; 5 = excellent]
Great topic and link to Kathy McMahon's website and
others! As a conscientious and curious citizen, I used
to attend my area's yearly Preparedness Expos held
each year at my local fairgrounds. Admittedly, I was
of two minds about these groups - first, the gun nuts
and anti-government types were in force, and second,
the back-to-the-landers were attractive what with all
their ingenious ideas to sustain oneself off the grid.

While strolling through the anti-gov't sections, I
wondered "Are ANY of these folks on the level or are
they ALL crazy?" It was at one of these events that
I first saw a blueprint of the supposed "detention
camps" being set up by the military which, naturally,
got the wheels turning, so to speak.

Oddly enough, soon after my last visit to this event,
they suddenly stopped appearing in my area, and I
phoned to inquire if they would be returning..
I was told they would not. Even this turn set me to
query, "Hmmm...why would the Expos suddenly STOP
coming to my area? Could there possibly be a reason
for those in power to influence various venues to
cease leasing to those involved in such?" Interesting
point to consider -- if anyone else here has noticed
a sudden drop-off in Preparedness Expos, please reply.

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dutchfarm
Posted by: dutchfarm on Jul 26, 2008 6:25 AM   
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Google rex 84, it seems not many people are aware of this government program, instituted during Ronald Raygun's administration, so the idea that the mega rich were aware of the coming problems may be true.

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» RE: REX 84 Posted by: Lauren
Is the new pornography or what?
Posted by: hagwind on Jul 26, 2008 6:27 AM   
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In the years following 9/11 lots of people got off on apocalyptic visions of terrorist strikes on U.S. infrastructure, etc., etc. (Those of us who realized that U.S. infrastructure was collapsing with no outside help yawned and went on to something else.) In previous decades, the apocalypse was brought on by nuclear war or meltdown, but the titillation factor was there. Amazing, isn't it, how easy it is to believe that even if 99.99% of the world's population is blown away, you and I will be among the 0.01% left standing?

Just in case anyone was wondering why the Old Testament is still popular after all these years . . .

P.S. The Parable of the Sower and The Parable of the Talents, by the late Octavia Butler, hold up very well if you're looking for plausible visions of people improvising solutions to the collapse of U.S. society (West Coast division).

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» What I meant was... Posted by: Bbear41
You’ll Be Wishing Y’all Lived in a Southern Lilly White Suburb.
Posted by: European American on Jul 26, 2008 6:27 AM   
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Homogeneity will be the name of the game. As we have seen in the tight knit Asian cultures, communities will come together if their survival depends on it. Fences could be torn down to produce multiple ¼ acre farms.

What do you think will happen to the section 8 crowd? Middle America already ignores the poor. Do you think the subdivision turned co opt farm will warmly receive browns looking for yet another hand out? Do you know how owns the majority of legal firearms? White college educated males.

The reckoning is nigh.

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» Methinks I’ll also farm Cannabis… Posted by: European American
» BTW, Guns are food. Posted by: European American
» Guns are metal, not food. Posted by: maxpayne
» RE: Guns are metal, not food. Posted by: European American
The answer lies in trust
Posted by: djnoll on Jul 26, 2008 6:28 AM   
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I am just finishing a paper on how to develop sustainable community governance through changing the environment in which government must work through leadership style and civic engagement. What has become predominant through out all the research is that trust is the key factor in accomplishing anything. One of the posters here stated that we should turn off our TVs and computers and get to know our neighbors. Truer words were never said. In our home communities we need to start NOW to create neighborhood alliances and groups to change the way government addresses problems. WE need to take back control of our government, and change the way that government makes decisions. But we can only do that if we work together and genuinely trust each other.

I am a survivalist in the sense that for over 15 years now I have warned people of the Perfect Storm that was coming - economic collapse, climate change, and an aging population. We are now facing all three, and this is just the beginning. Many of those who have the skills to teach us how to think, to grow healthy real food, build homes that last for years, and to create localized economies of small sustainable businesses are dying. They are not the baby boomers, they are our parents. Our children know that we need to change - just watch and listen to the crowds at WALL-E. Children are closer to nature and they understand, but they do not have the skills we need. They say that only the elderly and children fight in revolutions, so maybe for this revolution it is time for the rest of us to step up to the plate. It is time to give up manicured lawns in favor of vegetable gardens and orchards; cars for public transportation or walking; neighborhood gatherings instead of TV and a pizza. It is time to stop pursuing the all mighty dollar and the next great toy, and start paying off our debt and saving our money under the mattress. But mostly why not work with your neighbors to build a sense of neighborhood and community based on trusting each other as a way of learning to work together to solve some of the problems now before it becomes a crisis in your town.

Survival is now and always has been a collective effort, something many of us have forsaken for the sake of modern interests. We need to return to what our grandparents knew - without each other, we have nothing, and no reason to survive. Meet your neighbors, talk about the things happening in your communities, and talk about how you want make changes, then organize, pick a good leader that everyone trusts and who trusts everyone to do their best, and then work to make sure that your towns and cities are self-sufficient and self-sustaining. It can be done, it must be done, because the Perfect Storm is starting and we have very little time left to change before it hits us full force.

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» RE: The answer lies in trust Posted by: edgeofnowhere
Grasshopper or Ant?
Posted by: MSharp on Jul 26, 2008 6:31 AM   
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There are many people in The U.S.
who are dependent on malls and big box
stores such as Wal-Mart and Best Buy.

Because they were
not taught real survival skills
in high school or college, the
chance of them surviving without
these resources are very slim.

There will be many grasshoppers
and very few ants.

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» RE: Grasshopper or Ant? Posted by: Lauren
The False God GREED brought us here, What will save us?
Posted by: williameon on Jul 26, 2008 6:40 AM   
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Let them all go to their compounds and rot.
Let them live alone in
The Hell they have created.
Pod people insulated from the rest of the World
I envision something else.
FREEDOM,
Choice!

The Green Revolution and a Renaissance

Upgrade the Bill of Rights to include these new unalienable Human Rights:
The Right to:
Clean Air
Pure Water
Health Care
A living wage
Organic locally grown Foods
Green: Energy, Transportation, Homes, Schools and Shopping.
Efficiency instead of extravagance
Recyclable instead of wasteful.
A Totally locally owned and operated Media.

Let's Reaffirm our commitment to these positive progressive creative ideals:
Peace, Patience, Cooperation, Brotherly Love, Compassion, Healing and Helpfulness.

We are here for a reason.
Now is our Time!
This is the task.
These are the tools.
Start where you are and use them.
Let’s take a few baby steps together
Towards a brighter, cleaner tomorrow.
Peace, Survival, Health and Prosperity for ALL!

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» Here's some more rights. Posted by: gellero1
» RE: Here's some more rights. Posted by: maxpayne
» Ah, willy - if only. Posted by: thekidde
Catastrophe Zeitgeist Persists
Posted by: drricklippin on Jul 26, 2008 7:09 AM   
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I wrote below in 2006 but believe this catastrophe zeitgeist still exists today.

Three questions?

-What risks are the most real in your own opinion?
-How likely is it that the risk(s) you choose are indeed catastrophic?
-When will the catastrophe become manifest?

Thanks for any input

Rick Lippin
ralippin@aol.com

The Perception of Risk is Tricky Business.

There seems to be a "catastrophe zeitgeist" going through the culture. Then you have the self destruction vs imposed by organized enemy debate or unstable loner individual act debate

-Economic collapse? (If China calls in its huge debt we have to them?)

-Environmental collapse? (Is Al Gore right?)

-Biblical Prophecy of last days from some religious fundamentalists

-Bio-agent catastrophe? (Pandemic flu-natural or anthrax-weaponized by enemy)

-Chemical? (self generated environmental poisoning vs enemy chemical agent attack)

-Nuclear bomb or other radiologic event? (dirty or suitcase bomb)

-Explosive devices? (Non- radiologic bombs)

-others?

Right now with North Korea going nuclear and possibly Iran and the ease of constructing a small nuclear device the betting is on some sort radiologic event.

But within 6 months the focus may change?

With limited resources where do we put our training and prep dollars? It seems we sure were caught blind by 9/11 and Katrina? One enemy imposed -the other natural. Very real catastrophes -not hypothetical.

Dr. Rick Lippin

October 2006

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» RE: Catastrophe Zeitgeist Persists Posted by: Old Skeptic
President< Peak Oil Associates International
Posted by: cjwirth on Jul 26, 2008 7:12 AM   
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Event the survivalists will have trouble surviving this catastrophe:

According to energy investment banker Matthew Simmons, global oil production is now declining, from 85 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time demand will increase 14%.

This is like a 45% drop in 7 years. No one can reverse this trend, nor can we conserve our way out of this catastrophe. Because the demand for oil is so high, it will always be higher than production; thus the depletion rate will continue until all recoverable oil is extracted.

Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment.

We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel trucks for maintenance of bridges, cleaning culverts to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables, all from far away. With the highways out, there will be no food coming in from "outside," and without the power grid virtually nothing works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated systems.

This is documented in a free 48 page report that can be downloaded, website posted, distributed, and emailed: http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html

I used to live in NH, but moved to a safer place. Anyone interested in relocating to a nice, pretty, sustainable area, good climate with much rain and good soil?

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